7:15 p.m. We’ll be starting the live blog as soon as the meeting starts. Good sign, the parking lots were verrrrrrry crowded.

Important to note, the meeting is NOT televised or live-streamed. If you’re home, please come to the Clune Auditorium, where your vote may be needed tonight depending on what happens here.

If you can’t come in, follow along our live blog here…

7:33 p.m.:  people are filing in…many people still in line to register in the lobby so Lynne Vanderslice just announced that they’ll wait on starting the meeting until more people have the chance to come in.

7:39 p.m.:  Town counsel Ken Bernhard will be the parliamentarian. Rumor has it Scott Lawrence, a member of the Planning & Zoning Commission will be nominated to be moderator of the meeting.

Town officials are all sitting on the stage, waiting for more voters to enter the auditorium. Really rough estimate:  250 at this point. The meeting still has not started.

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7:44 p.m.:  Meeting still hasn’t started. One person from the audience shouted out, “Let’s start, they should have come earlier!”  Still no movement.

7:45 pm:  Lynne Vanderslice, first selectman opens the meeting. “I am so grateful to all of you who have come out to tonight’s meeting.

In interest of time she calls the meeting to order. She nominates Scott Lawrence. He is an attorney with “outstanding credentials…extremely intelligent, can’t imagine anyone better prepared.”

The Town Meeting approves, no one opposes.

7:45 p.m. Lawrence appoints Ken Bernhard as parliamentarian. Town clerk Lori Kabak reads the town call.

7:49 p.m. Ken Bernhard proposes Roberts Rules of Order, and that speakers from floor are limited to 3 minutes. Moses Alexander makes a motion to add an amendment to have speakers at the end of the entire discussion. Bernhard says the officials had a different order. The Town Meeting votes no.

7:51 p.m.: A motion from the floor asking that no one calls a question when people are still waiting to speak. “Last year there were several wilton citizens waiting to make speeches and there was a call to question that stopped them.” Bernhard says he doesn’t think the moderator would end it prematurely, taking away the discretion of the moderator and the ability to call the question from the floor.

Someone asked how 2/3 vote would be counted, proposing that it be by voice. Bernhard says that will be up to the moderator, and that other means to count if needed.

The amendment fails. Roberts rules will stand, the moderator will use discretion.

7:55 p.m. Al Alper moves for a secret ballot, asking to respect the process as voting is done in private, to have votes for any budget amendment be private, and not open. He withdraws and waits for the vote.

7:57 p.m.:  the town accepts Roberts Rules of Order for procedure.

8:00 p.m.: Ken Bernhard is reading the rules set by the Town Charter for voting and setting the budget.

8:01 p.m. Jeff Rutishauser chair of Board of Finance, takes the podium.

Net Taxable Grand List is up .19%; BOS Budget is down .71%, “outstanding’; BOE budget is up .77%, “their lowest budget in years.” Debt Service is up 8.1% due to MD bonding; tax relief for elderly is $1.1 million; Pension well funded at 95.5%. General Fund balance is set at 11.2% of Operating Budget; Moody’s reaffirmed Wilton’s Aaa rating.

Our excess reserves have been declining. This year we will use $4.1 to get a 1.89 mill rate. Tax rates will continue to grow to cover increasing operating costs.

In the current year we were told we’d receive 2.9 million from Hartford. We’re hearing that Education Cost Sharing will continue decreasing. We will start next year with a large, but unknown reduction in our ECS grant.

  1. We could do nothing and take the entire ECS debt from the reserves. We have enough to cover, reserve depletion is a one-time fix.
  2. We could reduce the budget in this town meeting, by amendment.
  3. We could direct the BOE and BOS to seek voluntary reductions of their expenses.

Although the budget will be fixed by a vote, the departments could decide to spend less to close the ECS funding gap.

Annual shortfalls widening as town expenditure growth continues to exceed Grand List revenue growth. We have increasing debt service due to additional MD bonding. We have decreasing excess reserves available to close shortfalls. We need to adjust to lower state revenue sharing in the future.

Wilton needs focus on restraining continuous expense growth until the grand list starts increasing.

8:09 p.m.:  Lynne Vanderslice is giving an overview of the BOS budget. the BOS is requesting $32,201,880.

Why are we spending more on operating expenses in FY 17 than FY 16?

  • wage and step increases as required by union contracts
  • short-term vacancies in FY 16 were filled for FY 17.
  • Increased labor costs partially offset by decrease in retirement and legal expenses

Town hall is working to reduce and minimize operating costs:  vacancies need to be justified or not filled; use of a high deductible health plan and defined contribution retirement plan; Public Private Partnership to fundraise future athletic facilities; working with resident IS professionals.

Operating Capital:  There is a $208,000 cost for the assessor because by state law there is a revaluation in the coming year.

Town hall is looking at opportunities to grow the grand list:  zoning changes, encouraging prospective developers (including a proposal for a hotel on lower Rt. 7); Vanderslice meets on average one developer per week; She encourages public support for new office and housing opportunities; and the Economic Development Commission.

She summarizes:  Wilton will see a decrease in total spending versus the prior year; they are pursuing cost savings initiatives; there are focused efforts to grow the grand list; and they are focused on improving taxpayer value for their dollar.

8:15 p.m.:  Bruce Likly started with a 2 minute emotional appeal about the successes and things he sees that the schools bring to families here in Wilton.

“We are focused on improving intervention, new STEM programming, building staff capacity, increasing enrichment for lower grades students; re-engineering libraries for the future, expanding technology, safe school climate focus.

“Some have gone to great lengths to talk about our enrollments declines. They’re correct, for the next few years that trend will continue. With that come opportunities to redefine, reinvest, re-engineer.

“We spend less per pupil than every town except Ridgefield. For those who think Wilton is wasteful, you might have the same issue with just about any town around here. Wilton’s budget request is far lower than our competition.

“The Board of Education budget is not the enemy or the problem. The problem is our grand list. If we want taxes to be lower, we have to grow our grand list.

“We have too much negativity clogging the media and damaging Wilton’s great appeal.”

8:24 p.m.:  Rutishauser makes the motion to approve the FY 17 budget and proposed Mill Rate.

8:24 P.M.:  Lawrence reads the rules and what can and can’t be done. Speakers will be called from the sign up list, and limit to time allotted. He’s setting the parameters for motions. “Want to make sure that everyone has the chance to participate in the way they want to…within the rules.”

8:28 p.m.:  Voting by voice, hand, by standing, ballot, if needed. “We have prepared to make several ballot votes if necessary.”

The great thing about Roberts Rules of Order is that the assembly decides. Questions are put to you.

8:31 p.m.:  Gail Moskow Education is a people business. It is not a corporation to cut costs and make profits for its investors. There is no more important work than provide education for our young people. They are future leaders, we cannot afford to let the excellent education program diminish. Education is not stagnant. These benefits come with increased costs. We cannot cut costs and provide a drawing power for new families to move to Wilton. As changes and improvements are made we have to pay more. The majority of us do not want to go back to the educational system of 10 years ago. We came here 46 years ago because of the outstanding education. Others helped pay for the education of our children then. We are more than happy to help provide for the same wonderful education our girls had years ago.

8:34 P.m.:  Alex Ruskewich:  The problem I see is Wilton is being non competitive as a town. We’re starting to see more empty offices, problems with real estate. Real estate agents tell us that. The BoE budget is 72 percent of all operating costs in town. Pretty soon it may be 100% because it keeps growing each year, despite enrollments growing. It will continue to drop. The state projects a significant drop by 2025 for Wilton. The school budget has increased 35.8 percent… We haven’t been chintzy.

There’s a significant difference between what seniors receive and what the schools receive.

The schools are overstaffed. Hockey players get over $3,145. That doesn’t fit into a school education. I believe in sports. Most places in world have sports team. Most pay to participate in the sports.

Wilton’s future:  All I can say is be careful for what you’re all wishing for. If you come upon a town where you force seniors to leave, and businesses do not want to come, Wilton has said, Zillow has said that housing is not doing very well in Wilton. The potential for a seller is poor.

8:38:  Tom Brown:  we’re spending too much and we don’t know where and why. When you run an organization you need to know which costs are fixed and which are variable. It’s not a given that the budget can go up each year. The organization head’s job to decide what services can be offered. As a citizen and taxpayer, I don’t feel comfortable that school and town officials are meeting the challenge.

In the absence of good information, it’s most likely the budget is too high and should be lower. That’s before declining enrollments and state aid cuts. These realities must be dealt with. The town’s organizations should get the necessary information in the hands of taxpayers and citizens.

8:40:  James McSweeney:  I agree with most of what Alex Ruskewich said. In CT we’re on the verge of a death spiral, a debt death spiral. Taxes go up and you get less revenue. Projections for 2017-18, we’ll be approaching the debt spiral. We have to do something about it. I think a percentage should be taken from each budget, and let the people who run those departments decide what comes out of those budgets.

Also, the value of our properties is going down, our taxes are going up. Those arrow are not going in the right direction. Look on Zillow, the housing environment in Wilton is considered a buyers’ market, the most extreme position on the scale.

Were zero-based budget techniques used? We should this about regionalizing our costs. Every town is facing costs for special education. There should be some way to regionalize it. I intend to vote against the budget.

8:43 p.m.:  Chauncey Johnstone: Thank you to the BOE, BOF, BOS, this is a lot of work you put in it, you deserve kudos from all of us.

I feel that things in the town are running away from us. In 1971 we didn’t come for the schools, but after we had children, they went through the schools, had excellent educations. I don’t like the idea that we keep saying what other towns are doing. That’s not our business. Our business isn’t to race other towns for the highest mill rate. We’re going to be digging into our capital reserves, and that’s dangerous thing to do. At the end of the day, taxes are going in the wrong direction. I believe in education, but we can do it in a way…we have a darn good system, we should hold it for a bit.

8:46 p.m.  Deborah McFadden:   I applaud the proposals for growth of our grand list, this is essential for our community, that should be our focus. I appreciate you’re keeping the elderly tax relief and support the public-private partnership for athletic. I’m very against pay to play. I don’t think we can reduce this budget any further. The schools and town have done a great job, we need to maintain what has been presented. We need to maintain the excellent schools. We cannot sacrifice our schools. Please pass this budget. When someone is looking to buy a house anywhere, they’ll google what’s going on in the community. And if you see a community with citizens bashing the town, you’re less likely to move there. I urge everyone to speak positively. We have a great town.

8:49 p.m.:  Detlef Fuhrmann:  Cut the waste of that budget. There’s a lot of money, too much spent on somethings.  For instance, sports, I don’t think the public should pay for it, it’s a voluntary form of entertainment. Special education–a DMC study that came out last year recommending streamlining, and saving $1.4 million. Together that’s $3 million that could be saved.

The school budget is ruining the property values.

8:51 p.m. Bill Lawlor:  I’m here as a citizen of Wilton and CT, the context is important. The ECS cuts are not the end, they’re the beginning, the canary in the coal mine. Hartford has delivered deficits, and directly affects us today. Next year’s deficit will be $1 billion.

We have to contend with these issues here in Wilton. The reflexive thing people want to do is look at the school budget. The ECS is a line item on the town side, it’s unfair for the school budget to bear that, like Mr. Likly said.

We need to take a longer view, we can’t look each time there’s a grant cut, and say, ‘Oh we need to cut schools.’ We don’t have enough of a pot to draw from. I see positive things from Lynne. We need to think as a town, what are we doing differently? What are we doing to attract more for the grand list.

I support the budget, conditioned:  identify the 10 most economically damaging resolutions, and take line-by-line budget of everything of the town, there’s a lot of fat in the budget.

8:55 p.m. Tim Mahon:  Mr. Likly’s numbers of towns we compare to. Average home prices:  Wilton down 3 % New Canaan, Westport and Darien all up. I’m concerned we’re borrowing the reserves. Having hope that the grand list will grow is not a strategy. I think we should pursue

We should vote no on the budget, the BOF should go back and lose the gap and not expect we’ll get anything from Hartford.

8:57 p.m.: Steve Hudspeth:   Across the town we have people working for the good. This is a town of optimists. We set our mind to it, we do it. I have no doubt the grand list will grow. I look at the good side. When I look at the cost side, what are they going for?

Since 1992, you see steady ratio of students to teachers. 9 or 10-to-1. The change has occurred in special education, because of state mandates. They cause us to do things for high moral values.

If you cut randomly, it can be disastrous due to litigation and outplacement. We need careful judgement and thought.

I have no doubt that the BOE and BOF work together will get great results. I think this budget should be voted, and this town can do whatever it sets its mind to.

9:00 p.m. Sarah Curtis:  

9:04 Ken McCallum, the BoS has done a great job, I have reservations with the BoE budget. In addition $800,000 of the debt service is due to the MD expansion. 75-percent of the debt service burden is from education projects.

I have major reservations from the BoE budget, enrollment is down 2% but head count is only down 1%. The lustre has worn off, we’re not the same as we were 5, 10 years ago.

You have to distinguish between regular and special education. Not all of special education budget is state mandated. Some of the practices are done earlier, in the summer, I suspect we’re spending money that isn’t mandated by the state.

I have a question about consultants. “What amount is included for consulting fees, and how much is paid to individuals who were former employees of the town or the board of education? Or companies owned directly, indirectly. I am told there is an employee leaving for an $100,000 consulting contract.”

Bruce Likly:  I don’t think I have the materials in front of me. I know in particular we have a well-respected band teacher retiring who will be staying to provide transition services.

Their payments will be less than their current bringing those people back is a cost-effective way to do it. In some cases the positions are being refilled.

McCallum:  I make a motion to reduce the budget by the amount being paid in consulting contract.  (He withdraws because there is no specific amount.)

9:11 p.m.:  [Didn’t catch the name] We came from Norwalk. We have a choice to stay or go to another place. It’s been as advertised. I applaud what the town has done. My son came here with a lower-level reading level and has since caught up. As a school system this town has done an amazing job. I discourage decreasing the spending. I do think there’s some room in the Town budget, there are outsourcing opportunities. I think we should look at cutting costs and maintaining controls, especially on the town budget.

The regulations are stifling to development. I think we should look at it, several areas we can improve from zoning. We’re on the right step. We need a strategic vision to improve the grand list.

9:14 p.m.  Paul Hannah:  I’d make a motion to cut waste but there is none.  The three boards should work together to save funds over the next year, and solve some of the fund balance problems anticipated by the BoF.

9:16:  Deborah Thompson Van:  Thank you to the BoE for the transparency. I am concerned about the BoE budget. Services can be reduced and I don’t think it will have a long-term impact on the reputation or the education we deliver. I’m concerned about the ECS cut impact. We need to get ahead of our own austerity.

Question:  Can the BoE budget be set lower than it is this current year.

Likly:  The law has changed.

There are line

9:22 pm.:  David Clune:  This is democracy in action. I think of the generation before ours when we moved here supporting the schools. We need to continue the support for our crown jewel, which can tarnish if you don’t take care and polish them. The faces of the students in special education, that’s our mission thats what we should be focused on, not the numbers. I support both budgets.

9:23 p.m.:  Andy Rapapport:  Maybe the town needs a town manager. Asks about the town-owned property sold last year, that we’re keeping back $500,000. Why?

Rutishauser:  We made the decision to reserve $500,000 to offset next year.

9:25 p.m.:  Woodson Duncan:   I see this as more of a political process rather than a financial process. How rigorous is the demand for justification on each line of the BoE budget?

Rutishauser:  We do receive the entire boe budget. I spent several hours on it. It’s a 230-page document. Our review can only be at the top-line, our sole means of responding to it is as one single item. This year we reduced $400,000.

Duncan:  So there is no rigorous, line-by-line review.

Rutishauser:  That’s correct.

Duncan:  As a financial guy, do you think that review would be beneficial? I’ve had to do that in a business setting. How far in the future do we look to project? We just did MD on a declining enrollment, ramping up our capacity with no demand. How far do we look and have people justify this ever-increasing expense. You’re going to keep sinking deeper and deeper. There’s no grand list that will bail you out other than prudence. I like education, I don’t like fraud, waste, overpaying. It seems to be endemic in this budget.  I looked at the budget, as a businessman with experience we could knock $3 million out before breakfast.

Rutishauser:  As a businessman I am frustrated to look at a budget.

9:30 p.m.  Ray Moskow:  The BoE, the volunteers who spend 100s of hours to enhance the education system, I trust those people I have faith in those people. Don’t shortchange the children.

9:31 p.m. Jillian Desiderio:  The school system has 4 times the amount of school psychologists. Bravo to the Wilton BoE. I’m a school social worker and I race around trying to meet the needs of our students. To hear any part of an education budget referred to as ‘wasteful’   Education looks significantly different than 5 years ago. Technology, the arts, special education, physical education, diversified curriculum. I would hope the budget proposed meets the need of the whole child. No longer reading, writing, arithmetic. We need to meet the needs of the whole child.

9:34 PM Chip ?:  With ECS funding I’d have a concern with how it’s applied. If this town gets a grant and the road paving budget goes up,… My emotional presentation:  I’m impressed with the BoS budget, in the BoE, it was an entirely emotional presentation. It’s clear from other people there doesn’t need to be a line-item discussion, but there was no justification or information about where the increase is coming. I’m sure it’s available online. If I’m buying I’ like to see some facts of what I’m paying for.

9:36 p.m. Marianne Gustafson:   The BoE should be commended that you did the DMC study, it’s not an easy thing to open yourself up to be evaluated. With this study, there are areas of significant efficiencies and best practices. There’s $371,000 that could be saved if the right paraprofessionals could be hired. $1.4 million in savings for proper use of OT, PT and speech therapists. It shows we have inefficiencies. When we can clear those up, our community benefits. When we have paraprofessionals that are not trained, we’re looking at students who are not getting what they need, taxing our teachers because they have to fill the gaps.

The report shows there is room for cost efficiencies. It Is looking at the whole child and the benefit of the whole town.

On the BoS, I know there’s been communication. I’m glad you’ve done the IS committee. But we’re paying $125 and hour, and the industry says we should only be paying $25-$30/hour.

Vanderslice:  In response, I repeatedly heard we should be hiring $25/hour people to do our IS work. We hire consultants, rather than hiring another employee with a high level of skills we don’t need full-time. To do some of that more complicated work. We have 4 professionals who have looked at the budget and what we’re doing employees vs. consultants. The work we need

9:41 p.m. Jennifer Markey: I’m here for my children’s futures. They should be in bed but this is important. Many meetings I attended the message was don’t cut the BoE. We are deeply concerned the voices of the majority are not being heard. the budget is already being cut too low. The budget was fiscally responsible given the times we’re in. This town’s main asset, our only real asset is the school system. The reason families come here is for the schools. My family came for the school system. We paid Wilton taxes knowing one day our children would benefit and other children would benefit.

If we do not treat our school like the asset it is, people will not move here and people will seek to leave. Do not cut the BoE budget one single dollar more.

9:44 pm:  Steve Bell:  I teach at the high school. The school is wonderful. The BoE has proposed an increase far smaller than surrounding towns. It is a reasonable increase.

9:45 p.m. [unclear]:  2009 was a reset button. All officials have to look as a paradigm change.

9:46 pm. David Cote:  Fully support the budget. My wife is a product of Wilton schools. My inlaws haven’t had a kid in school since 1996. Lynne’s plan to reduce some burden on future budgets with public-private partnership, other towns do it, it’s time to get private money involved. The gentleman objecting to what we pay for hockey players. 10 years ago, the town was given the opportunity to receive a hockey rink, but it was voted down. If we had that we wouldn’t be paying $3,000 per player.

9:50 p.m.:  Mark ?:  I call the question.

Lawrence:  He defers and lets the few people remaining to speak.

9:51 p.m.?  :  I remind people there are a lot of individuals who are underpaid, who will soon be out of work. I support the school budget, but I don’t know if Wilton can afford any higher tax.

9:52 Wayne :  I’ve paid taxes all 25 years with no children. We need to be more fiscally responsible. The presentation from the BoE was all emotional, no fact. I plan not to leave the town, and don’t want the savings spent for next year and the next.  You want more things, volunteer, come out help get more things. Stop spending more money than we have.

9:54 p.m. Jason Cutler:  

9:56 p.m. Simon Reiff:  I do not support this BoE budget. One item has not been answered. There is a line $2,3 million for  technology integration and support. Can anyone explain what that is?

Superintendent Kevin Smith:  We are working on a number of things. Combined are salaries for tech support, funding to continue wireless access and acquisition of wireless devices.

Reiff:  How much involves upgrading?

Smith: We’re working toward a 1:1 environment, that’s the general trend in education.

Reiff:  I support that. This is in nature a capital expense. This is something you do to invest in school. I’m proposing, is if we were to reduce the line item, and I know we can’t do that, and introduce a corresponding bonding project? I don’t understand why it’s not bonding.

Vanderslice:  We generally don’t bond anything that exceeds the life of the bond. I’d never recommend bonding technology.

Reiff:  One other question:  Were we to hypothetically reduce the budget, and could the board come for a supplemental appropriation?

Vanderslice:  The decision to bond is at the Town Meeting. Supplemental appropriation you’d have to go to the BoF for charter authority.

Reiff:  We’re not living in normal times, we have to think out of the box.

I’ve heard a lot of emotional pleas. I’m hearing a lot of I don’t have the figures.–

Lawrence:  Time.

Reiff:  I’m going to ask that we cut the—

Lawrence:  You’ve run out of time, and you can’t make the motion.

10:03 p.m. Tom Curtin:  Tonight one board member equates asking questions to pollution. I think we need to get away from a win-lose mentality to a win-win mentality. There is no one in the room who is against the education, but there are people who are against fiscal waste.

Comstock is empty, we spent $10 million. Downtown is empty. We need to market the town.

10:05 p.m. Caroline Higgins:  I’m a senior at the high school.  My peers and I have been provided enormous opportunity while getting a first class education. Don’t change that for the kids that follow us. We talk about the kids, I’m one of the kids, preserve the budget.

10:06 p.m. Paul Burnham:

10:07 p.m. Al Alper:  You are the legislative body, now it’s our turn to do the heavy lift. I’d like to make a motion to separate the BoE and BoS budget so we can have two separate votes on each budget.

Withdrawing…

Would move to reduce the BoS budget $200,000 to catch up on $600,000 from a prior budget not returned to the town.

Lawrence:  The charter does not allow for a general reduction on the budget.

Bernhard:  We anticipated your motion, we reviewed the charter. The charter doesn’t provide for the motion you’re making. You can move to reduce the overall budget of BoE, but with BoS you’re limited to making motions on line items.

Alper:  I make a motion to reduce the Public Works budget by $200,000.

Lawrence:  The debate will shift and we’ll consider this motion. We’ll entertain comments on that specific motion only.

Alper: [Describes a move of $600,000 from a capital expense to bonding]

Vanderslice:  That $600,000 was never in the DPW budget and to take it out now is apples and oranges. The operating expenses are down this year. To me it doesn’t make sense.

Paul Burnham:  Did you say the $200,000 Mr. Alper says should be returned doesn’t exist? It’s been spent?

Vanderslice:  Yes. It’s not like there’s a pot sitting there.

The question has been called. The body will vote on this specific amendment, to reduce the DPW budget by $200,000.

The vote was voice, but is now being retaken by hand.

The motion fails, there is no amendment.

Alper is still speaking, he has 22 seconds. On the BoE budget, I’d like to make a motion to reduce the BoE budget by $800,000.

10:23 p.m. Alper:  Relative to the BoE budget, looking from student to FTE ratio. Over the last 10 years, the student to teacher ratio has remained relatively constant, since 2001. The student to FTE ratio has exploded, 14 students to every FTE (10 years ago) now it’s 10 students to every FTE. Special education doesn’t account for all the administrative and support staff. There’s $1 million unaccounted for.

While they can’t comment on the BoE line-items, we still look at each line item. They scrutinize. At a broad level, the high level, a student to FTE ration, there are too few students to FTE. Discarding special ed, there are efficiencies, you have $2.5 million in excess.

James Murray:  moved the question.

Deciding whether to cut off debate. The motion carried. It now moves to a vote on Alper’s proposed amendment.

The motion fails. There will be no amendment.

We now return to the original motion to approve the budget as proposed.

10:29 p.m. The comment period is now over, and the budget as proposed by the BoF goes to the voters.

The meeting continues to cover the bonding issues but almost half the crowd is leaving.

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Vanderslice:  Moves to bond year 5 of the 5 year road restoration project for $1,800,000.  10 miles of roads, the range in age of the roads is from 11 to 25 years. The roadwork will not be complete, there will be roads more than 30 years old. We expect to come back next year to bond more roads.

Motion was made and passed to combine comments on both bond questions.

Vanderslice:  Moves to bond replacement of 10+ year old HS stadium with coconut husk infill turf plus concussion padding for $650,000. It has a 10 year useful life with an 8 year warranty. Future replacement provided by a fund consisting of donation and field revenues.

Both projects would be bonded with a 10-year payback period.

Moses Alexander:  Year 5 of a five-year bonding program. You answered my question. It’s a 10-year bonding program. I’d like to see next year the bonding decrease and some moved back into the capital budget.

For the turf field, I heard talk about public-private partnership. There’s a big chunk, the turf field shouldn’t be bonded. Growing the grand list just masks the tax increases. The only thing that lowers taxes is lower spending.

James Murphy:  Do we have a history of what the road paving has cost in the past?

Vanderslice:  There isn’t anything substantially difference in paving these miles than past miles, but I can’t remember off the top of my head on what we’ve spent in previous years.

Murphy:  If you repave a road, you have less maintenance to fix the potholes. Is there any knowledge of what the savings would be on paving?

Vanderslice:  If we get to the point where we’re doing the roads every 15 years, there will be savings.

Deborah McFadden:  I support the roads, I support the turf. I’m thrilled for the environment and the safety of my son.

Lawrence:  Closes debate on bonding resolutions.

Motion to adjourn.